Unwed Sailor :: Tremours (9/16/23)
The Moroccan Lounge
Shot by Charissa Clark
Interview by Charissa Clark
Unwed Sailor
Purely instrumental post rock, dream pop, shoegaze and new age band, Unwed Sailor, comprised of frontman Johnathon Ford (bass), David Swatzell (lead guitar) and Pat McGill (drums) started in Seattle in 1998. Over 25 years in, Unwed Sailor has released an album nearly every 18 months, in a run comparable to The Brian Jonestown Massacre. Their most recent album Mute The Charm, released in 2023 is a mix of post-rock with definite nods to The Stone Roses, Lush, Mogwai, White Lion and New Order. Contributing reviewer Charissa Clark spoke with Pat McGill after the show at The Moroccan Lounge last Thursday about the bandβs legacy and being underrated.
Charissa: How did you join Unwed Sailor?
Pat: Iβm from Little Rock, Arkansas. Someone who used to be in Unwed Sailor is from Little Rock, who also played in Manchester Orchestra, was a friend of a friend. Johnathon asked him if he knew anyone to play drums and I was suggested. The guy used to play keys for the band, back in the 2000s.
C: How come no one plays keys in the band anymore? Artistic choice?
P: Johnathonβs had a rotating cast of people with him for a long time. Itβs changed since the 90s. Dave the guitarist, has been with the band for 10 years, heβs the longest standing member whoβs stuck with him the longest. The album Heavy Age, first one with Dave, is probably when the birth of a new band occurred, but with the same name.
C: Has the sound changed since the new birth?
P: I would say yes. In the beginning, the early stuff is very 90s emo, instrumental. A lot more twinkle. Now it has more post-rock influence, itβs expansive tone wise.
C: Itβs amazing how full the music is without vocals. How do you keep people interested after all these years of being only instrumental?
P: The secret is that Johnanthon and the producer he works with work well together and write these really good drum and bass songs that move and have moveable parts. They get in the studio with Dave [lead guitar] and they all work together, and he [Dave] makes these leads and the leads are kind of the vocals. Johnathon plays these bass leads that are also like vocals and they play off each other. Thereβs enough in there, catchy little tunes, to consider that the vocals. They move around enough to where itβs not just chord chord chord chord. Then we incorporated the visuals because it allows people to get lost in something while watching; we have good stage presence but itβs worth the added element. You want to be something people remember. We are trying to push the volume of our sound. Before we had extra synth parts on the track and having those elements [visual] makes it feel a lot more like the records but live. We had to make cuts, weβre only as a 3-piece band. If Johnathon could have an 8-piece band he would.
C: Is that something you want in the future, to have an 8 piece band?
P: Itβs a money thing and a space in the van thing.
C: What is the dream for the band?
P: I do not know what the overall goal is, other than being noticed by the right people. We are underrated. I saw them when I was younger and always saw them as really cool, interesting instrumental music. I always liked Mogwai.
C: You saw them when you were younger. Did you dream of becoming part of the
band or did it just happen?
P: It sort of just happened. I was at a point where my local bands ended and I was looking for
things to do so I stuck my neck out there. But this isnβt about me, itβs about the band.
C: Where did the band name come from?
P: I think it was an inside joke with Johnathon from back and then. It has nothing to do with marital status, itβs just an inside joke. I donβt know much about it other than that. Itβs one of things where itβs been the name for so long and thereβs no point in changing it. Thereβs no reason to change it, but itβs been like that for so long. Itβs a name people remember. Iβm new to the band but weβll show up to these towns and weβll get people saying βI havenβt seen this band for ten yearsβ or βIβve been waiting to see this band for 20 yearsβ. Itβs cool. Weβre not playing to 1,000-people theaters, but it means a lot to those that do come out. Weβre trying to make a new audience with the old audience.
C: How are you doing that? Changing sound, genre, staying within the genre and hoping new minds will attract to it?
P: Staying the path weβve been doing, being consistent with putting music out and being creative with it. I think we have a strict touring regimen and hoping the right people see us. Itβs about who you know. Thereβs a lot of people from the 90s very aware of this band. Every time we go somewhere, theyβre like, βI havenβt seen this band in forever, we didnβt know you still existed.β Thereβs that element, we are trying to keep the nostalgic interest as well as show that there is a lot more that has come of the band since then.
C: You said the band is underrated, why do you think that?
P: I think each song, thereβs no fat on the record. Everything is intentional, creative. Anything you hear on the record has been listened to over and over and refined to the point itβs where they want it to the best of their ability. Johnathon has a very good bass style. Very Peter Hook [of Joy Division/New Order], one of his heroes. Itβs basically lead bass. Itβs strange but donβt think of it when you listen to the music and it carries the main melody.
C: What is one question you wish people would ask you more often but donβt during interviews?
P: I donβt get interviewed a lot. I donβt know.
C: For example, Tremours want more technical questions, about their cymbals, pedals, gear, etc.
P: That would be something I would like to talk about. Yeah, I would love to be asked about drum sets.
C: Whatβs your favorite brand for cymbals?
Pat: You canβt go wrong with high middle, the higher end Zildjian cymbals. I used to make customs. [Zildjian] K is what I really like, they sound great. The Byzance cymbals, those are my favorite cymbals. I usually get the 22 Byzance Rides, theyβre versatile. Itβs not meant to be played the way I used to play. They would break a lot, and are expensive, so I had to stop wasting money, but since then Iβve changed my ways [of playing], so Iβm thinking I could get one again and itβll last longer. Cymbals are expensive.
C: How long have you been playing drums?
P: Almost 20 years. I started when I was 10. I learned a lot from playing in local bands and forcing myself to write drum parts that were harder than what I could perform. Now with Unwed Sailor, I get to play with a click which helps me find the pocket. In the beginning it wasnβt something I was excited about, but now I donβt want to do anything without it. The only benefit is I canβt rock the fuck out. I have to make sure Iβm staying within my perimeters. Itβs nice for me because if I feel myself rushing or dragging, I can hear that and come back; I donβt want to play these songs like that. There are other songs where I donβt want to play with a click but this music is perfect for it.
C: The click will make you a better drummer. The timing is more precise.
Pat: It does. I was in the studio recording with another band and I noticed it was a million times better. I was ready for all the curve balls thrown at me.
Tremours
Formed in Los Angeles in 2021, by South Carolina native (and L.A. Witch guitarist) Lauren Andino (Guitar/Moog/Vocals) and Portsmouth, England-born Glenn Fryatt (of Happy Hallows and The White Lightning Co.) on drums, Tremours is equal parts dreamy psychedelic and rockinβ chill wave. Charissa Clark spoke with them after their set about style, their Colorado car theft and cats:
Charissa: When did you get started?
Glenn: During lockdown. Two years ago.
Lauren: Started playing in 2021. About 2 years, we initially started jamming together.
C: How do you have such great chemistry for only playing together for 2 years?
G: We are enemies. We hate each other and decided thatβs the best way to start a band, with tension.
L: Glenn posted that he was looking for a rehearsal space, and I just saw it, beginning of lockdown, Iβd just moved and needed a place to play. We started messaging and ended up getting two different rehearsal spaces in the same building, since the original space fell through. We were in the same spaces a lot of the time. I started posting videos on Youtube and he asked if I needed drums for it, since he was only 2 floors down. From there we started playing together.
C: How did you come up with the name Tremours? Not from the movie?
G: I would like to do merch with Kevin Bacon.
L: I like the movie but the name sounded how the music sounded, shaky. Tremolo. And with tremors in general, with anxiety. It was during Covid so everything felt unstable, hence the name.
C: What is the genre called?
G: Not shoegaze.
L: We have very different influences. Iβm influenced by shoegaze, pop, psych rock, and droney. Glenn comes from a different world.
G: Iβm influenced by Andy Weatherall, British Sea Power, Archie Bronson Outfit. Stuff thatβs more upbeat.
L: Heβs very into driving on top of everything, pushing it while Iβm more lazy.
G: Lauren does dreamy, half-time nonsense. I come in and say βthatβs bollocks, what would Keith Moon do over that?β
C: Your differing styles seem to compliment each other, balance each other out.
L: We do our own thing. I donβt ask him to play anything specific on drums and he doesnβt ask me to play anything specific on guitar. It works.
G: Lauren is floating in a meadow, while Iβm on a train saying letβs fucking go.
L: We do different types of drugs if you canβt tell.
C: I heard you donβt have an album coming out, but you do have an EP?
L: We have an EP out that we did last summer, but we are working on our album and it should be out by early next year. [We] released a few singles as well on Little Cloud Records: 2 songs, singles, 7-inches, vinyl.
C: Do you have one show after this or continuing on with the tour?
L: We have one more show in Phoenix and then weβre coming back home.
G: Then we have a tour in October. The east coast and then a couple of shows in Canada.
C: Are you headlining that tour?
L: The east coast run is a co-headlining tour with our labelmate Ceremony. We did the same co-headlining tour with them last year on the west coast. Theyβre from New York. Weβre gonna play in their world this time.
C: How are you guys doing since the car-jacking in Colorado?
G: I donβt drive so it was a good way to learn how to drive, by hanging out of the door. We were loading out from a show, our car wasnβt in the secure car park, no broken glass, hadnβt been towed, so someone nicked it. That was the first day of the tour, our clothes, drum equipment and Laurenβs computer were in there. Lauren called the police. We had a Kia SUV. I saw it drive past and I walked out to the front of the venue and saw our car to the right, idling. I walked up to it, had a stain on the back door from where we hid it at Union Station, something dripped on it. This car had a stain.
C: He drove it back past where he stole it. Flaunting?
G: I think he was just an idiot. If I stole a car Iβd never drive it back past where I stole it. He had the passenger door open, hotwired, all of our stuff spread around the car. I come from the headquarters of the British Navy, called Pompey, so Pompey Glenn came outβ¦and [he] doesnβt usually. He overflowed. I stepped in the passenger door saying βget the fuck out of my car.β The guy said itβs his car, and he paid $100 for it. The guy then started to drive off with me on the pavement. It was all Bruce Willis. I was hanging out of the car while he went fast. I was either going to die or get in. I grabbed his seatbelt, punched him in the face and he drove into the venue. I pulled the steering wheels, swerving for 3 blocks, crashed into the pavement. I said βget the fuck out or Iβll kill you.β The man then said βlet me at least get my stuff out the car.β He ran out the car and left everything. The police came, dusted for everything, there were loads of drugs inside, needles. Loads of his DNA. I just got a few scratches and a bruise on my heartβ¦but now that will be a song lyric.
C: So you mentioned you were in the Navy?
G: Iβm from Portsmouth. Itβs the headquarters of the Royal Navy. My whole family was in the Navy, but not me. I just got the tattoos and the attitude. Iβm usually quite quiet but I donβt like people taking the piss. Then here comes Pompey Glenn.
C: Are you guys where you want to be, career-wise, whatβs the dream?
G: I just want to keep playing, not struggling. I donβt want to be rich or famous. Iβm not bothered. I do need to keep getting my visa, which would help. I want to make enough money to keep doing this. Weβre actually nearly there and donβt even have an album out. Iβve been playing drums for years and Iβve paid my dues. Weβve both got endorsement deals with companies. Weβre not fucking about.
C: Is there a question you wish more people would ask in an interview, and if so, what?
G: I wish more would talk about my cymbals. Theyβre Paiste cymbals. I love them and have been an endorser since 2004. All Iβve ever played. Theyβre Swiss. In comparison to Zildjian, theyβre brighter. Estonian for βsunlightβ or βsunriseβ [actually: βshineβ]. Best in the world.
L: I walk away for a second and youβre talking about cymbalsβ¦
G: Sheβd probably talk about shoes.
L: No, Iβd probably talk about cats. I like all animals.
G: Iβm allergic to cats and she loves cats.
L: Everything in our band is opposites. We have one black shirt with a ghost and one white shirt with a cat. The ghost is his and the cat is mine. I honestly like to mess around with gear. I would like to be asked specific questions about that. We never have gear nerd conversations.
C: I have noticed while photographing concerts the different pedal setups. No one board is the same. How do you create your own pedal board?
L: Everyone has their own sounds they like. I have sounds on my boards Iβve had for years and never changed them. Some are really old, vintage pedals. Even if everyone has the same pedals, they can put them in different order so itβll sound different. I love when people are up in the front looking at your pedals [while performing].
C: How did you get into guitar, rather than other instruments?
L: Itβs just something I picked up when I was younger, Iβm self taught. My dad played as a teen, but thatβs about it. I donβt play anything complicated. To me itβs all about soundscapes and building on them. I have more fun playing with the gear. If you can make one note sound interesting throughout the whole song then to me thatβs impressive. I gravitate towards dynamic and sound changing than I do technicality of
playing. Itβs cool to see people shredding but my soul loves to see someone play only three notes with a lot of feeling and making beautiful sounds.
C: Thereβs complexity in simplicity.
L: If you can keep people interested that long in one or two notes then youβre captivating. I like simple songs that are really hard to get the sound and feelings right.
Audience Review
βBeen seeing Unwed Sailors for over 20 years. Been listening since the early 2000s, started listening around the age of 13 years old. Iβm a big fan of the post-rock, shoegaze genre. Saw them in NY city, pretty young and have been going to see them ever since.β -Greg
βFantastic performance. The music was beautiful, powerful, took over the whole room. Iβm a new fan [of Unwed Sailors], found out from a friend. The end made me feel the glory, a presence and depth as well as a shyness to the performance. The musicianship is excellent and the emotion portrayed is universal and a reason I think theyβve been able to stay relevant for so many years.β
-Paul
βNever heard [Tremours] live before but they were very good. Very impressive live. Very calm, breezy, free-spirit. Reminded me of Slowdive, very relaxing. More like soundscapes, regarding the technical side. I will most definitely follow them on instagram after this performance. β -Luis
ββ¦Never heard [Tremours] before. [Lauren] had a nice voice and sound. Wasnβt expecting the vibe since came to see Asteroid #4. Incited a relaxed and happy feeling.β -John